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[TurboSedan]

no prob, thanks Kenny

[TurboSedan]

so far i'm thinking 205whp has got to be the corrected #.  accounting for another 25% to estimate what it would put down at DynoPros, that would put me right at ???whp on the Dyno-Jet at DynoPros?

using: 205 * 10 = 2050.  2050 * .85 (to bring the 15% correction factor back out of it) = 1742.5.  1742.5 / 10 = 174.25whp uncorrected on the DynoDynamics dynamometer.  if adding 40% to the uncorrected DynoDynamics #s to estimate what it would do on the Dyno-Jet at DynoPros, i use: 174.25 * 10 = 1742.5.  1742.5 /   .6 = 2904.17.  2904.17 / 10 = 290.42whp at DynoPros.  that doesn't seem right.  so i guess more than likely my math is wrong haha.

let's try it a different way,

205 * .15 = 30.75.  205 - 30.75 = 174.25 uncorrected whp.  174.25 * .40 = 243.95whp which would be a corrected whp # on the Dyno-Jet at DynoPros.  that sounds more realistic.

then a different way still would be what Kenny did on page 1 of this thread:

205whp (15% corrected for altitude) * .25 (to bring the correction factor up to 40% to get an estimate of what it would put down at DynoPros) = 51.25.  51.25 + 205 = 256.25 estimated on the Dyno-Jet at DynoPros which to me sounds the most realisitc.

this is frustrating.  which math is correct in determinng the #s?  none of the above?  i think i'm just going to have to dyno at DynoPros again if i really want to know what it will do on a Dyno-Jet.

[TurboSedan]

meh, as far as i'm concerned i'm still at 227whp/325wtq even after the tune.   it's been almost 3 months since i dyno'd and i still have't gotten a dyno grap or seen any results that i know are correct.

[KAZ Motorsports]

Josh here is your altitude corrected # that you asked for when you were here. You asked for altitude corrected (density corrected) because you were supposedly going to Virginia. I also gave you a printed copy of this (minus the peak torque number). This was done with 15% correction because the day of the run the computer wanted to give a 30% correction for air density for an N/A car. We have proven that 1/2 of what the computer desired correction is what a turbo car will put down at sea-level density.

This was given to you when you left. You complained on another thread that it has been 3 months since you got your numbers for HP/Torque. No the other graphs showing boost and A/F that you asked for is what took some time. For that I apologize.

If you run at Dyno-Pros you will most likely see a 260HP corrected number.

[TurboSedan]

This was given to you when you left.

i did not recieve a printed copy before i left your shop.  look at the 1st post in this thread; i obviously didn't yet know at the time what the numbers were.  i had forgetten to get them before i left, and then called you later and you told me you would email them to me.  if i had a printed copy from you i'd still have it here, just like my printed copies i have from DynoPros in 2005.  i like to keep that stuff.

so far i've gotten one dyno graph showing 205whp, one graph showing 241whp, and now this one showing 230whp.  all of them supposedly corrected (for altitiude).  i asked for altitude corrected numbers so i could compare them to the altitude corrected numbers i had gotten at DynoPros, not becuase i was planning on moving to Virginia at the time.  i know you tuned it to run a little more rich than the chip in your 5-speed TGP and that was because of the lower alititude in Virginia, but i'm not sure what the Virginia thing (lower elevation) has to do with corrected numbers?  this is all very confusing to say the least.  i will say that i'm more than happy with the results of the tune, but i was expecting to get some proof so i could see how the tune compared to my previous runs at DynoPros.  a big part of the reason i wanted to dyno was to get some numbers (like anyone else would) but mostly to get it tuned right.  so i'm more than happy with the way the car runs & drives, but i also now have 3 different dyno graphs all showing different numbers and i'm not sure what to think.  i had just gotten frustrated i guess.  the only reason i said i was going to dyno at DynoPros again (in the thread on clubGP) was because i could get actual proof of results that the tune made since that is where i made my baseline runs at.  BUT, also becuase Dyno-Jet numbers are pretty much considered the "standard" when it comes to posting dyno numbers.

like i said earlier in the other thread, i would like to dyno at both shops for different reasons.  i'd like to tune at your shop since the results were fantastic and you obviously know what you are doing, but my baseline run (right after i turbocharged the car) was done at DynoPros on a Dyno-Jet.  that's simply becuase it would be done at the same shop on the same dyno that my previous runs were made on and i could directly compare results.  i wasn't complaining.  you also told me a few days ago that re-tuning the car this spring was likely not necessary with my planned mods (the Yellow Top injectors and new mufflers).

i did complain in this thread, because yes it took so long to get the graphs i asked for and then on top of that they keep changing.

[Euro]

um....nice numbers!!!!!!!!

[TurboSedan]

um....nice numbers!!!!!!!!

yeah, i really can't complain to say the least!  Kenny's tune really woke the car up not to mention the huge improvement in driveabllity.  it used to buck like crazy and it no longer does that, and it now pulls MUCH harder in 3rd and 4th gear.  i'm sure it would in 1st and 2nd as well, but lack of traction prevents me from noticing any gains in 1st and 2nd.  i really need to try the stock TGP ECM controlled wastegate solenoid or staged boost control if that doesn't work.  i does spin the tires alot more easily in 2nd gear after the tune, and if boost is raised to 14psi traction becomes an issue in 3rd gear.  speedometer is now correct as well, and mpg improved dramatically.

i didn't mean to come off as being rude or impatient Kenny i simply wanted to know where the car stood after the tune and know what the A/F looked like across the RPM range/boost level (which all looks good...wayyyyy better than the Jeff M chip that was in the car).

[KAZ Motorsports]

No worries Josh. This is why I hate the entire Dyno-Jet compared to corrected to uncorrected to this to that! It confuses me let alone my customers.  

Your 205HP graph was the UNCORRECTED number. That puts you at 230 as shown on the corrected graph. 205 x .13 = 230. Why it did a 13% instead of 15% I don't know. Most likely because of the air temp and humidity that night we ran it. Where the computer configured the 240+ is beyond me. It does not calculate to ANY of what is shown in your snapshot files. I spent 3 hours today trying to figure out where that came in. So kill the 240HP dyno gragh and base your numbers on the first as your tuned uncorrected. Then the 230 graph as your corrected tune for air density. That is what your snapshot history is showing. I think you will see about 255-265 on the Dyno-Jet.

Sorry for the confusion and this is the last time I try to show my numbers banked against DJ BS numbers. I will give a graph for uncorrected and corrected for what my dyno shows for the barometric pressure, humidity, and temps for that day.

[TurboSedan]

No worries Josh. This is why I hate the entire Dyno-Jet compared to corrected to uncorrected to this to that! It confuses me let alone my customers.  

Your 205HP graph was the UNCORRECTED number. That puts you at 230 as shown on the corrected graph. 205 x .13 = 230. Why it did a 13% instead of 15% I don't know. Most likely because of the air temp and humidity that night we ran it. Where the computer configured the 240+ is beyond me. It does not calculate to ANY of what is shown in your snapshot files. I spent 3 hours today trying to figure out where that came in. So kill the 240HP dyno gragh and base your numbers on the first as your tuned uncorrected. Then the 230 graph as your corrected tune for air density. That is what your snapshot history is showing. I think you will see about 255-265 on the Dyno-Jet.

Sorry for the confusion and this is the last time I try to show my numbers banked against DJ BS numbers. I will give a graph for uncorrected and corrected for what my dyno shows for the barometric pressure, humidity, and temps for that day.

wow thanks for going into detail, that is everything i've been wanting to know right there  i didn't mean to make you spend 3hrs hunting this stuff down :shock:  but it's great to finally know!

i'm interested in seeing that graph of your car.  that would be the closest car i could compare mine to really.  same engine, trans, most of the same mods, same boost level or?, and a similar tune on the same day at the same shop