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Author *Topic: KAZ Motorsports TUNED Turbo Cutlass!  (Read 16089 times)
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« on: November 21, 2006, 04:35:18 AM »

i'm wayyy too tired to get into all the details but i will say this - the Turbo Cutlass in now faster than it's ever been, putting out more power than it ever has, and driveability & fuel economy have increased dramatically!!!! biggrin  i couldn't have asked for a better tune not to mention the hospitality.  Kenny's shop is truely state of the art and he knows what he's doing!  HUGE thanks Kenny!  i had a blast smile







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i'm really not sure what whp/wtq #s it put down - i'm hoping Kenny will post those as i forgot to get them.  i have some good dyno vids too but i'm way too tired to wait for them to upload so you'll see 'em tomarrow.  hell i want to go drive the car right now!  time to crash though...it's been a looooooong day.

btw i stopped at Pull N Save in Denver and got a set of 1.6 rockers from a '94 3100 for a whopping $3.49 + tax!

Dan - me thinks we need a rematch :smt003
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 05:19:05 AM »

ok one i'll upload one vid before i pass out....

http://www.turbosedan.com/vids/MOV03038.MPG

and yes, my trunk wasn't latched lol.  damn car is quiet with those stock TSTE muffs huh?  i probably would have done better had i left the single outlet straight through glasspack on instead of the two rusty ass cans that are on there now.  oh well, it'll have a pair of Dynomax Ultraflo's soon enough.  and some 1.6 rockers.  and some Ford Yellow Top injectors.  and a Walbro 255 pump....then a little more fine tuning...then....

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 06:17:13 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 10:24:37 AM »

:shock:  HOLY SHIT!! damn good numbers...that tune musta been wayyy off when you started!
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 10:46:15 AM »

I am busy as shit today so here is the graph.

There is 15% added to both the Baseline and Final tune for altitude correction. Another 23-25% can be added to get a Dyno-Jet Corrected HorsePower number (as we have proven on NUMEROUS cars).

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 10:47:24 AM »

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:shock:  HOLY SHIT!! damn good numbers...that tune musta been wayyy off when you started!


Sorry the number shown in the graph you saw was a 30% correction as an example to Josh to show the differences in correction. The updated...listed graph is actual.

ALSO...this is a mild to middle tune. Josh was concerned with the reliability of his motor and wants it to "last". Another 20-30 HP and 30 ft/lbs could have been easily added...40-50 HP more I think is max for the T-25 and stock uppers.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 12:07:45 PM »

i'm kind of confused....so 205whp is the altituded corrected # on a DynoDynamics machine.....meaning it would be around 250whp on DynoJet?  what about max wtq #s?
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 12:14:35 PM »

205 + 25% = 256.25

Or to give the lowest number compared to a DynoJet from my machine would be 205 + 23% = 252.15

290 + 25% = 360 Wheel ft/lbs and this would be very close to the dynojet corrected number for ft/lbs.

So these are corrected (DynoDynamics) to corrected (Dyno-Jet) numbers.

Sorry for the confusion. It is so damned annoying for me to compare my machine to outdated inertia machines! roll
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 12:19:40 PM »

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205 + 25% = 256.25

Or to give the lowest number compared to a DynoJet from my machine would be 205 + 23% = 252.15

290 + 25% = 360 Wheel ft/lbs and this would be very close to the dynojet corrected number for ft/lbs.


yowza!!!!  no wonder i didn't have any problems with that silver Cobalt SS on I-25 last night :smt003

btw, i think we forgot to shut off EGR....still getting code 32 on the highway.  no big deal really, just an annoying SES light.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 12:25:03 PM »

As a comparison to show the accuracy and repeatability of my machine. A normally aspirated SS Camaro ran 313.8HP CORRECTED on my machine. The motor was built and tuned by a company in Georgia. They claim (certified by GM) 380HP to the crank. The day we ran it the barometer and temps were calling for a 31% increase to show sea-level numbers.

313.8 x 20% for drivetrain loss = 375.8 HP at the crank.

He ran on a DynoJet in Denver (he thinks it was Bears old shop)...it showed 359HP to the wheels.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 12:26:29 PM »

Well I thought we killed it...ummm when you get the chip burning equipment we will kill it for sure.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 12:55:43 PM »

it's no biggie.  what i'll probably do is take the bulb out and check codes/scan with the OTC 4000E we have here.

damn car runs SUPER biggrin

most noticeable improvements by far - every gear is more useable.

- 1st & 2nd gear - no more bucking and definately more traction.  i'm not using the M&M Racing grainger valve manual boost controller anymore.  yep....i'm finally using the TGP wastegate solenoid.  the TGP T25 spools so fast as it the MBC made it spool just toooo fast resulting in no traction in 1st or 2nd gear.

- 3rd gear pulls harder, no bucking there at all

- never really did have bucking problems in 4th & 5th, BUT those gears used to be worthless!  the car would turn into a a total dog after i got into 4th.  as it is now it's a night and day difference.  4th gear the car will HAUL ASS right up to 100mph like nothing before.  hell i can leave it in 5th and get up to 100mph pretty damn quick now!  i haven't been past ~100mph yet.

- OVERALL - the car is soooo much smoother to drive.  power isn't 'explosive' like it was with the MBC and that means no wasted power spinning the tires.  my oil pressure was slightly higher than it was on the way down and i wondered if it was because of running so rich before was washing the cylinder walls with gasoline?  maybe the rings are just sealing better now?

as for gas mileage.  this is kind of a hard comparison because of the windy conditions that existed on the way home that weren't there on the way down to Colorado.

on the way there, before the tune, no wind:
Gillette-to-Cheyenne Wyoming - 242 miles & used 9.95 gallons of gas.  that's 24.3mpg!  ugh!

on the way home, after Kenny's tune, fighting a HEAVY crosswind between Cheyenne & Douglas, WY (over half the trip):
242 miles, used 8.875 gallons of gas.  that's 27.3mpg!

if i didn't have 150lbs of tools and other stuff in the car, no wind, and my rear wheel alignment was on i have no doubts this car would be getting 31+ mpg on the highway.  not bad at all for a 240,000 mile engine that's never been rebuilt and is putting down 250+whp & ~360wtq!  the GM employee that assembled my LH0 16 years ago must have done a damn good job biggrin  fwiw, i'm turning about 2600 RPM @ 75mph in 5th gear.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 02:21:59 PM »

Glad to hear your tune is greatly improved Josh!

Nice work Kenny!!
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 02:28:51 PM »

sweet!

btw, where is that pul n save at?  i need to go visit
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 02:30:07 PM »

went for a run this morning and i seem to be having a boost control issue.  the gauge will spike to 15-16psi then drop off quickly to ~12psi, and then it will slowly fall off to 5-6psi towards redline :?  perhaps my boost gauge line is leaking?  i looked for boost leaks everywhere else but didn't see signs of any.  it's never done that before so i'm thinking it might have a bad wastegate solenoid?  i'm going to check the wastegate duty cycle with the OTC scanner to see what's going on there.

i'm kinda tempted to throw the MBC back in since max boost would always stay rock solid at full boost/WOT.  using two-stage boost control with two grainger valves might be the way to go.  probably have one set for ~8psi in 1st & 2nd gear to control traction, and the other set to ~13psi from 3rd gear on up.

so yeah...either my boost gauge line is leaking or i have a bad wastegate solenoid.  hrmm...
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