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[XTRevolution]

none of the 3800s ive owned, or ones people i know have owned (probably 7 or 8 in total including 2 GTPs that were modded and Bonnieville pushin over 400hp) -i didnt own the gtps or 400hp bondoonski, but l27s. lol

and NONE of them started on fire, or even quit working. of all the engines in a series 1W i would gladly take the 3800 over my problematic pain in the ass to work on retardedly proportioned 3.4DOHC. they get about the same for mileage, if not the 3800s were better because i didnt have to make it downshift to speed up on the highway with its extra torque, and it didnt have an oil pump drive seal to leak and also catch fire. it didnt have a timing belt to break and take a day to switch. it didnt have an alternator burried in the back underneath EVERYTHING in a retarded place to catch every splash, and coils located under the front exhaust manifold. its cooling fans can be replaced without taking the rad out... AND the 3800s i all owned that havent been crashed ALL still to this very day start easier than my 3.4 does on average.

why hate something as reliable and powerful as the 3800?? because it has a balancing shaft and weighs an extra 100lbs or soething? thats the difference between a passenger or not sometimes (if shes built right) lol

People hate what they can't touch. The 3800 doesn't catch fire unless you're an idiot and can't smell the burning oil from the leaking valve cover gaskets months before the flames erupt and never take your car in for service. Its common sense, and those are all reasons that for an enthusiast are null and void.

The 3900 makes just as much power (hp), but the L67 was also released in 1997. Its a lot older of an engine, so you can't compare the power ratings. The 3900 actually makes 20hp less and 40 less torque than the series 3 L67.

L27's are bulletproof. You cannot break one under regular maintenance. My engine is living proof, and there are plenty other examples. The L36 has UIM issues that can be resolved easily and inexpensively. They have an infinitely larger aftermarket than the LQ1, and the 3.1 is just plain slow by comparison.

and has the worlds worst location for power steering resivoir...

Better than the world's worst location for an alternator.  

My Regal starts in under 1 second to this day with my 3800.

SofaKing nailed it pretty much as to why the Series 1 3800 is an awesome engine.

Robert, welcome to gmwbody.com.

[3.1cutlass]

The 3900 makes just as much power (hp), but the L67 was also released in 1997. Its a lot older of an engine, so you can't compare the power ratings. The 3900 actually makes 20hp less and 40 less torque than the series 3 L67.

Thank you for proving my point since the 3900 is N/A and the S3 is supercharged.

[RobertISaar]

Better than the world's worst location for an alternator.  

only on the LQ1. every other 660 has a very sensible accessory drive.

and the series 3 was released in 04? and even though it has a .1L disadvantage, it can only muster an extra 20HP and 40lb-ft of torque with a blower compared to a n/a 2006 3900...

http://archives.media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2006/HPT%20Library/HVV6/2006_39L_LZ9_Impala.pdf

3900 dyno.

[XTRevolution]

Thank you for proving my point since the 3900 is N/A and the S3 is supercharged.

No buddy, the 3900 makes just as much power as the Series 2 3800, in terms of horsepower, not torque. It makes 240, but the supercharged model makes 40 more torque. The Series 3 3800, which is around the same year, makes 20 more hp and 40 more torque as I just pointed out, so your point is null and void. That's like saying a 1980's Chevy 350 makes less power than an equal displacement 2003 LS1 (also a 350cc small block).
Post Merge: February 21, 2010, 06:39:25 PMI'd swap in a 3900 if I could do it for as cheap as an L67 and be able to mod it as cheap as an L67, but the fact is that once that L67 is inside my engine bay, its stupidly easier to make it more powerful.

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

to me, there is nothing wrong with either motor family, in general i guess... lol i would rather a 3800 than pretty much ANY 60V6. some of them have some easier to work on components, but MY engine isnt one of them

[TehWinGTP]

My L32 has been the best engine I have ever owned. And at 213,000 miles, It ran BETTER than any engine I have ever owned.

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[3.1cutlass]

No buddy, the 3900 makes just as much power as the Series 2 3800, in terms of horsepower, not torque. It makes 240, but the supercharged model makes 40 more torque. The Series 3 3800, which is around the same year, makes 20 more hp and 40 more torque as I just pointed out, so your point is null and void. That's like saying a 1980's Chevy 350 makes less power than an equal displacement 2003 LS1 (also a 350cc small block).
Post Merge: February 21, 2010, 06:39:25 PMI'd swap in a 3900 if I could do it for as cheap as an L67 and be able to mod it as cheap as an L67, but the fact is that once that L67 is inside my engine bay, its stupidly easier to make it more powerful.

See post above yours.

[XTRevolution]

See post above yours.

We can argue all day about which engine is "best" but at the end of the day it matters what your application is, what your budget is, and what your goals are. If you're doing an engine swap in a w-body and want to go really fast for cheap with ease, an L67 is the way to go. 3900 heads surely flow better than L67 heads, which flow worse than 3100 heads by a large margin. Good thing you can get aftermarket heads for the L67.

My L32 has been the best engine I have ever owned. And at 213,000 miles, It ran BETTER than any engine I have ever owned.

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His L32 and my L27 at 213k miles.

Buck I'm sure your L32 would have reached 300k without an issue had you not rolled it.


Robert, I find it amusing that your intro thread turned into an engine debate thread. 

[RobertISaar]

Robert, I find it amusing that your intro thread turned into an engine debate thread. 

i'm not surprised. i expected either a 660 vs 690 pissing match or a OBD1 vs OBD2 pissing match. either way, i'm amused.

[3.1cutlass]

We can argue all day about which engine is "best" but at the end of the day it matters what your application is, what your budget is, and what your goals are. If you're doing an engine swap in a w-body and want to go really fast for cheap with ease, an L67 is the way to go. 3900 heads surely flow better than L67 heads, which flow worse than 3100 heads by a large margin. Good thing you can get aftermarket heads for the L67.

There are after market heads for the 3100/3400...

[TehWinGTP]

Buck I'm sure your L32 would have reached 300k without an issue had you not rolled it.

I am more than 100% sure it would've... God I miss that car....

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

i just like pissing personally

[XTRevolution]

There are after market heads for the 3100/3400...

I'm sure there are, but the difference between aftermarket heads on an L67 and aftermarket heads on a 3100/3400 is MUCH higher given how shitty L67 heads flow from the factory. An factory N/A 3800 with a good pair of aftermarket heads would make you think twice about a 3800.

[RobertISaar]

A factory N/A 3800 with a good pair of aftermarket heads would make you think twice about a 3800.

maybe. but as-is, it's like someone deliberately fucked them over from the factory. i honestly don't know what they were thinking when they combined large displacement with iron heads, tiny ports and large valves...

[XTRevolution]

maybe. but as-is, it's like someone deliberately fucked them over from the factory. i honestly don't know what they were thinking when they combined large displacement with iron heads, tiny ports and large valves...

Idiots.

Makes you wonder what you can do with a nice carbide bit and a air die grinder.

On second thought, I'll show you in a few months.