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« on: July 25, 2009, 01:56:39 PM »

I have aquired a HUD unit, all the wiring (with the dimmer) and a 2nd gear start switch, im just wondering if anyone out there has the wiring pinouts for these bastards. wouldnt mind gettin em installed in the lumi for some fun.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 02:42:07 PM »

Crazy K and 3100MPFI are the guys to ask.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 03:06:43 PM »

yeah i figured... im just sitting on my ass waiting for one of them to reply... luckily i have AC so i dont mind the heat today...  +30C or some shit...
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 04:07:38 PM »

I know I have them, I just don't know where they are. lol
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 04:53:05 PM »

I did a massive write-up on them here:

http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=48675.0

good luck, any questions, ask!
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 04:56:50 PM »

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I did a massive write-up on them here:

http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=48675.0

good luck, any questions, ask!

OMFG THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! :praise:
thats all i need for the HUD.
Does anyone have one for a second gear start switch?
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 06:18:21 PM »

lol anyone have the wiring pin outs for the cluster of a 91 lumina? i might be able to figure them out, but if someone has them already, that would be cool.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 08:42:32 PM »

2nd gear start

http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=74662.0
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 09:35:38 PM »

wicked cool. thanks guys. any info on the cluster wiring? my shit is at the shop and i cant get it till monday, i wanna do this tomorrow!!
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 10:45:52 PM »

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I substituted a 1991 euro cluster with oil pressure gauge in place of a regular cluster. The project vehicle is a 1992 lumina sedan. However, I have also dismantled the oil-gauge less cluster and input the info I discovered on it as well. The info here can help you to make any lumina cluster work.

Disclaimer: I don’t know if the all 90-94 base clusters are identical, please check this against your wiring, before you start.

90 and 91 Euro "ub3 type" clusters have oil gauges, 92-94 have voltmeters. 1992 clusters can be either/or they appear to have changed midyear.  
Their are 7 seperate clusters used in Luminas that I am aware of:

1990 base cluster: thin lined monstrosity, with a light gray background
1991 - 1994: base cluster with a black ground

1990 gauge cluster: thin lined monstrosity with oil gauge and 3.1 redline
1991 - mid 1992 gauge cluster with oil gauge and 3.1 redline
1991 - mid 1992 gauge cluster with oil gauge and 3.4 redline
mid 1992 - 1994 gauge cluster with oil indicator, charge gauge and 3.1 redline
mid 1992 - 1994 gauge cluster with oil indicator, charge gauge and 3.4 redline

the shift indicator, or filler plate, is interchangeable between all the clusters.


I repinned my own connector. with practice and a good narrow jewelers screw driver it's quite easy.  Just remember to tweek the lock tangs to ensure they lock when you reinsert.  I would snatch an extra instrument cluster adapter before starting and practice depinning and reinstalling.  I emptied an extra connector and transfered the wires one by one, so I wouldn't get confused.

Additionally, this swap requires a new temp and oil pressure sender (if oil gauge cluster) in place of the original switch. The sensor harness connectors are identical. Remember the oil sender is about twice as long as the switch.

The top row is C, bottom row is D and they go 1-16, left to right.

 For the Base Cluster    
First number is the base cluster pin location. Then the wire color and description. The last number is where it has to be moved to in the euro cluster harness.

1990-1994 Lumina cluster base
C1            not used
C2            not used
C3   PNK/BLK      12+ volts switched Ignition            D4/D11
C4   YEL/BLK      Low Coolant indicator               C16
C5   TAN/WHT      Brake Warning indicator               D13
C6   Brown       charge indicator               C15
C7   DK GRN      Coolant Temp indicator               C7
C8            not used
C9   BLK      Ground                      C2/D6
C10   BRN/WHT      Service Engine Soon (SES) (ECM grounds to light)   D16
C11   NC (low fuel if equipped)
C12   LT GRN/BLK   ABS indicator                  D13
C13   PPL      Fuel Gauge input from sender            C5
C14            not used
C15            not used(low oil, if equipped)
C16   LT BLU      Left Turn signal indicator  C9
D1   Tan      Oil Pressure Indicator(grounds to light if no pressure)   C13
D2   YEL      Fasten Seatbelt indicator(grounds to light)      C11
D3            not used
D4            not used
D5            not used
D6            not used
D7            not used
D8   GRY      Illumination (variable backlighting)         C3
D9            not used
D10            not used
D11            not used
D12   BLK      Ground                     C2/D6
D13   DK GRN      Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) from ECM         D5
D14            not used
D15   DK BLU      Right turn signal indicator            D1
D16   LT GRN      High Beams indicator               D2

Ok, here is the pinout for the Euro's fully instrumented cluster.
First number is the base cluster location. Then the wire color and description.

1990-1994 Lumina Gauge cluster
C1            not used   possible shift indicator (TAN/BLK if equipped)
C2   BLK      Ground      
C3   GRY      Illumination (variable backlighting)
C4            not used
C5   PPL      Fuel Gauge input from sender(grounds to Empty when low
C6            not used
C7   DRK GRN      Coolant Temperature gauge input from sender(grounds to peg gauge when hot)
C8            not used
C9   LT BLU      Left Turn signal indicator
C10            not used
C11   YEL      Fasten Seatbelt indicator(grounds to light)
C12            not used
C13   TAN      Oil Pressure sender(grounds to zero guage if low)
C13                        not used (non-oil-gauge cluster)
C14            not used
C15   BRN      Charge indicator
C16   YEL/BLK      Low Coolant indicator (grounds to light if low)
D1   DK BLU      Right Turn signal indicator
D2   LT GRN      High Beams indicator
D3         no used      possible shift indicator (TAN/BLK if equipped)
D4   PNK/BLK      12+ volts switched Ignition
D5   DK GRN      Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) from ECM
D6   BLK      Ground
D7         not used
D8         not used
D9   WHT      Tach Signal (analog)
D10   TAN      Oil Pressure indicator(grounds to light if no pressure)  
D10         not used (oil-gauge cluster)
D11   PNK/BLK      12+ volts switched Ignition
D12         not used
D13   TAN/WHT      Brake Warning indicator
D14         not used
D15   LT GRN/BLK   ABS indicator
D16   BRN/WHT      Service Engine Soon (SES) (ECM grounds to light)
 
KEY:
not used= no connection, no wire was present, if there is an optional light I listed it. (ie shift if equipped)

For (C3   Pink/Black - Ignition Power      D4/D11)  this power wire must be spit to have a second wire , as the base cluster has one socket and the full guage cluster has two. in a proper euro harness they link.

For the tach, (D9   White - Tach Wire, analog) this wire is absent from within the car. I discovered that the tack wire is a small gauge white wire in the harness that meets the firewall behind the alternator(the C100 connector). It does not continue past there into the body.  Open up this wire loom and you’ll discover bunch of wires. Only about 5 are small gauge, and the white wire will be obvious. Link it from there and run it inside the car to the cluster. Be sure not to have it run where it will get damaged and shorted.

Euro cluster C13 and D10 positions are two possible locations for the oil pressure wires.  C13 in for the guage, D10 for the idiot light. This is the only know difference I have found between the two types of clusters.

This is a possible difference, I didn't track this info very well, but Euro cluster D1 and C3 (ie Tan/Blk? ie shift indicator if equipped?) either appear to be possible locations where a manual trans car would have up-shift, or down-shift indicators. I didn't have a year break down for these, sorry.

One last issue, some pins actually are identical to other pins, so a wire could be in a slightly different position (ie C7 instead of D7, fake example) this issue is usually the same number pin but different letter (ie C7=D7, or D13=C14, fake examples) This is visible on the back of the circuit board as the circuit line will run through both pins.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 12:37:43 AM »

many thanks guys
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 11:59:57 AM »

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be warned... that I have not checked into whether of not 3800 cars are partially pre-wired.  

If it is... you could pull the c100 connector and check to see if there is a light blue wire on the engine side, which is not conitnued into the body.  This is how all the hanresses have been that can be converted that i have checked so far...
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2009, 12:56:09 PM »

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he has a z34 now so it has the 3.4
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 04:31:31 PM »

i dont think a 3800 would be possible to put the 2nd gear start on, it only has a 4t60, so no electronic controls, right?
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 04:54:38 PM »

now that i think of it isnt your car a 91 so it should be just a 4t60 also
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