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« on: February 06, 2010, 10:51:50 AM »

I'm copying this from w-body.com. I was the first to my knowledge to do this mod. Adam followed, and then SirMichi from w-body.com. SirMichi had bone stock suspension on a 4 door lumina and noticed a huge difference in steering response, a huge reduction in understeer, and much better cornering ability. Adam can speak for himself here, and I'll say that it was worth every minute of the 4 days I spent figuring it out.


BUSHINGS
Refer to this thread: http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=65795.30

The bushings are part of Energy Suspension Part kit #3.3156R, with the R referring to Red bushings.

The bushings can be purchased directly from Energy Suspension for $65 + shipping: http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=3.3156

As of 01/02/09 the bushings can also be purchased from Amazon.com for $55 shipped (which is where I got them): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CN75XA/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

These are indeed bushings for an 88 RWD Cutlass, but they are supposed to work on a 1st gen w-body as the OE bushing part numbers are the same for both.

HOWEVER!!!

The 78 RWD cutlass of that generation used a 1/2" bolt, which is about 12.7mm. GM later updated the bolt size for the 79-88 models to 12mm, but Energy Suspension did not. Therefore, the kit you will buy will come with a 1/2" inner sleeve diameter, so you will need to buy new bolts or as Adam did, wing it and hope for the best. Adam noted that there was very little play in those bolts, as the subframe brackets tighten against the inner sleeves when you tighten the bolts. Its your decision entirely on what to do with this.


BOLTS
Basically, the OE bushings have an inner sleeve that the bolt goes through. The subframe mounts for the control arms are only big enough to allow the 12mm thick bolts to go through. On my car, the inner sleeves seized up to the bolts due to rust, and no amount of Bolt Buster or heat with a MAPP gas torch would loosen them, and I did try to heat the sleeve directly. I eventually concluded that my only option would be to cut up the bolts with a dremel. This took an asinine amount of time, so be prepared to have your car out of commission for a weekend if you're as unlucky as I was.

The bolts needed are hardened bolts for automotive use, which I thought were available only from GM. However, upon calling a GM dealer, I found out that these are discontinued. I managed to find replacements here: http://www.boltdepot.com/metric-hex-bolts.aspx I'm sure there are other places online, but this is where I bought mine from.

The OE bolts are 12mm thick, 1.75mm thread pitch, and 92.1mm in length. If you need to order new bolts, might as well go ahead and order 1/2" bolts. I would not advise using anything under a Grade 8 bolt. I used a Grade 8 from a local hardware store as I did not have time to wait to order new bolts online.




Steps
Control Arm Removal
Naturally, you will need to remove the control arm. You will need a balljoint removal tool. Be prepared to accidentally damage your balljoint and replace it. If yours need replacing or are very old, this would be a good time to replace those as well.

Remove the control arm-to-subframe bolts and hammer them out if necessary. As I mentioned previously, there is the possibility that the bolts may have siezed to the inner sleeves of the stock bushings. If this happened, your only option is to cut off the ends of the bolts and stretch open the subframe brackets. A very long heavy duty flathead screwdriver or a small cro-bar would help here.


Bushings
Here's where things get complicated, so pay very close attention.

On each control arm, there are two bushings. I will refer to these as the Front and the Rear bushings, relative to their position on the front and the rear of the car. The ES bushings are both (for front and rear) longer than the OE bushings and will need to be cut after installation. You can use a rotary tool with a cut-off blade, or a hacksaw.


Front Bushings
The front OE bushings are larger in diameter than the ES bushings. In other words, the ID (inner diameter) of the OE sleeve is larger than the ID of the ES sleve. See here:




Luckily, the OD (outer diameter) of both ES and OE sleeves are exactly the same. You will need to have the old ones pressed out and the new ones pressed in by a shop. I took mine to NAPA, and was charged $20 per bushing to press out the old and press in the new.


Rear Bushings
The rear bushings are a different story. Here, the OD of the ES sleeve is larger than the OD of the OE sleeve, so you cannot press out the old one and press in the new one, as it won't fit. However, the OD of the ES bushing itself is identical to the OD of the OE bushing. In otherwords, the ID of the OE sleeve is identical to the ID of the ES sleeve. I say identical because that's about as close as one can get, but the reality is that the ES sleeve is .5mm thicker. This causes some issues, as the polyurethane doesn't like to flex very much, but we'll get into how to overcome that in a little bit.

The problem you now have is getting the rubber out. The easy way to do it is using a MAPP gas torch. Propane won't cut it, you can ask Adam. It just takes too long. You heat around the sleeve directly with the torch till the rubber sleeve inside catches fire. You then push it out with a stick. It will come out very easy once its melted, so be patient. Adam used propane and wasn't so patient and got rubber all over himself. That shit doesn't come off very easily. Wait for the control arm to cool down, or you'll be scrubbing the rubber off your hands for a while. Once its cooled off, sand the sleeve down like so:




Now for pressing in the new bushing...

Adam used a vice, but I used a bolt with a method that I created specifically for this. I spent HOURS trying to figure this out, and so did Adam, till he called me.  laugh

In the kit you buy, you will also receive 4 extra bushings, which are used for the upper control arms on the rwd cutlass. You can use the sleeve for one of these bushings to make a press of your own using a bolt as follows:




You essentially get the long bolt with two large washers and a nut, and start tightening them. The tan part is the outer sleeve of one of the extra bushings. You need it there so the ES bushing has somewhere to go as it gets pressed through. Press the bushing in WITH the inner sleeve. You will have a hell of a time pressing in the inner sleeve if you don't. VERY IMPORTANT: The kit also comes with bushing grease. Grease up the sleeve and the bushing before you start pressing it in and it will make your life easier.

If you didn't catch it the first time, you cut the bushing down to size **after** you press it in. The reason for this is that because of the difference in diameter, the bushing will stretch longer after you press it in, and will cause you to do double the work. Here's what it looks like when pressed in:






The second picture shows how much the bushing actually stretches, as it is exactly as long as the inner sleeve before you press it in.


Cutting the bushings
When cutting the bushings, cut the outer sleeve slightly shorter than the inner sleeve. You will be tightening the bolt against the inner sleeve, and the outer sleeve needs room to play. I cut the inner sleeve the same length as the bushing. Measure the lenght of your old bushing inner sleeves and match that to these. I don't have the numbers for that. If anyone does, please post them.



Here's what your project should look like once you're done:





If you're asking yourself if you really need to do this job, the absolute answer is YES.
Here's the concept:



You will notice a HUGE reduction in understeer and will find it very difficult to break your tires loose after this mod. I don't understeer anymore; my whole car slides. This helps balance your car very well.


Here's the thread where I started this mod, so you know what I had to go through:
http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=74935


Any questions?

Adam, if I missed anything, let me know and I can modify this post.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 11:35:18 AM »

I read this on W-Body and want to do it this on my Cutty this summer.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 11:36:37 AM »

I read this on W-Body and want to do it this on my Cutty this summer.

Let me know when you're up for it. I'll give you my cell phone number and walk you through it all so you don't make dumb mistakes. There are certain parts where doing it my way will save you a LOT of headache and frustration.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 12:49:30 PM »

looks like fun. we have a select few roads here in town i like to give er hell on.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 09:01:14 PM »

This will help my 9C1 transformation. Good info!
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 09:16:50 PM »

This will help my 9C1 transformation. Good info!

Please let me know if you ever do decide to do this mod. I'll help in any way I can. I spent 4 days on this because of all of the unexpected surprises and it was well worth it all in the end.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 11:08:15 PM »

i will have to do this once i lower my car
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 11:09:42 PM »

i will have to do this once i lower my car

Why wait till you lower your car?
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 11:19:14 PM »

because then i dont have to tear it apart 2 times
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 11:30:09 PM »

I did this last spring when I had my trans out to rebuild it...also  had the whole front off the car down to the sub frame.







I figured then was the best time to do it.  It is an awesome mod....I never got a chance to Auto X it last summer...but looking forward to doing it this year...and traveling to some bigger events if possible.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 04:41:36 PM »

Im doing this on my 6000. Iv been having issues with the inner part of the tires on the front being eaten up. I got new balljoints and inner and outer tierods and had it aligned and new tires and it just ruined them. Sooo this is my next option. I couldnt find any poly bushings for my abody car so i just got OEM style rubber ones. They have to be better than the 230k ones in there. I also am upgrading my swaybar at the same time from an FE3 car
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 04:59:24 PM »

Im doing this on my 6000. Iv been having issues with the inner part of the tires on the front being eaten up. I got new balljoints and inner and outer tierods and had it aligned and new tires and it just ruined them. Sooo this is my next option. I couldnt find any poly bushings for my abody car so i just got OEM style rubber ones. They have to be better than the 230k ones in there. I also am upgrading my swaybar at the same time from an FE3 car

You're doing this exact mod on a 6000? Replacing bushing with replacement OEM equivalent rubber bushings is not anywhere near as involved as this.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 07:48:23 PM »

I didnt know putting a replacment poly bushing was considered a involved custom mod lol, ok then, im so sorry that the colors red and made of poly instead of black rubber makes it totally a different procedure, lol.....oh im sorry u had to put a 1/2 inch bolt instead of 12mm what ever....I read the only part on the front lower control arms, wich u pictured exactly what i am doing, my car doesnt have any rear control arms so your actualy "mod" part didnt even apply. Just more on the fact people should replace these things, rubbers just as good. Iv read that poly bushings are just noisy as hell and dont last even half as long....
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 08:17:29 PM »

noisy?

no.

rubber is not just as good.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 08:40:50 PM »

I didnt know putting a replacment poly bushing was considered a involved custom mod lol, ok then, im so sorry that the colors red and made of poly instead of black rubber makes it totally a different procedure, lol.....oh im sorry u had to put a 1/2 inch bolt instead of 12mm what ever....I read the only part on the front lower control arms, wich u pictured exactly what i am doing, my car doesnt have any rear control arms so your actualy "mod" part didnt even apply. Just more on the fact people should replace these things, rubbers just as good. Iv read that poly bushings are just noisy as hell and dont last even half as long....

Calm down here buddy. I rebuilt a Jag V12 engine and swapped that and the transmission, and this mod took me 4 days to figure out. Read the whole post before making it sound easy. Its not. Adam rebuilt his own transmission and still couldn't figure out parts of this even after reading my writeup. Its not a walk in the park or a piece of cake. It does make a HUGE difference. My rubber bushings had 60k on them when I did this mod.

Its a very involved mod when there are no direct fit poly bushings. These bushings had to be custom cut and fit, and there are details that are very important to pay attention to. Unlike sway bar bushings, you can't just buy a direct swap bushing for these. Nobody makes poly control arm bushings for a 1st gen w-body.

My mod title is quite fitting by the way. W-bodies as you probably know don't have rear control arms, so one would assume by reading this that I'm referring to the front control arms. The rears use lateral links and trailing arms.

I've had these on my car for 33k miles now. No noises to be heard, because the friction points are between a bolt and inner sleeve, not between a bar directly rubbing against a bushing. Even in that regard, poly bushings actually last longer than rubber bushings if you keep them greased like you're supposed to in applications where they need to be greased.
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